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The Softening of a Heroic Protector

A transcript of a breakthrough

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Josef Shapiro
Sep 05, 2025
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Care enough about
The ones you love to
Share with them the truth

I wrote this years ago but never had a good place to share it until now. I was reminded of it today. It’s a transcript from one of my more unusual client sessions. Shared with permission, of course!


Peter: Everyone I get close to gets hurt.

Josef: Say more.

Peter: I constantly have to worry about the people I love. It’s a dangerous world, far more than people realize. But I can’t even tell them about it, because that alone makes it dangerous for them.

Josef: You must feel really alone.

Peter: Sometimes, yes, but I think that’s just how it is.

Josef: Maybe. But let’s go back to why you’re here. What’s not working in your life?

Peter: It’s my girlfriend. Whatever I do doesn’t seem to be enough.

Josef: What does she want?

Peter: If I knew that, I’d give it to her. I’d do anything for her.

Josef: I can feel how much you love her.

Peter: So much, and that’s the problem.

Josef: How so?

Peter: The more I love someone, the more dangerous it is for them.

Josef: That’s quite a pickle you’re in.

Peter: I know, right?

Josef: What if what she wants is not actually something you can give, but something to release.

Peter: What do you mean?

Josef: Well, my guess is that she wants to be closer with you, and you’re keeping her at a distance. What would happen if you let go of being her protector?

Peter: I don’t even want to imagine it.

Josef: What comes up when you do?

Peter: The first thing is fear, then guilt. Something terrible will happen and it will be my fault.

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